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One post about The Fountain – a movie I got the dvd of recently. I thought it touched on some pretty deep themes and from what I’ve read about it on the net, it’s meant to do just that. I think it probably deserves it’s own entry and maybe once I’ve summoned enough strength to watch it again it will get one. The other post is a couple more cents worth of thought on the Salvia videos being made available online. It’s (encouraging?) to see other people in the entheogenic community also getting bent out of shape about this issue. I would wager a guess that the people that make these videos available are mostly not the same people that you find online discussing them. They do not seem to be the same people that are trying to achieve anything with them other than trying to draw attention to themselves. In that sense, they deserve just as much attention as someone recording themselves falling off a skateboard, or being kicked in the face by a horse. Why anyone would want to watch that kind of stuff is beyond me...
Re: The Fountain movie.....
"Read about it somewhere that someone was talking about Apocalypto, I think because the common theme was Mayan. Anywhoo, looking into it a bit I decided this was a DVD I needed to get imported (it probably wouldn’t make it on the circuit here, and wouldn’t be stocked in the shops either). I watched it last night and woah, it is one seriously intense emotional movie. It seemed to contain some pretty profound insights and would help me put a face on some things that might otherwise be quite difficult to grasp.
The dude in the bubble with a tree is on some kind of journey, he might be like God or something – or a higher self of somebody, on his way to complete disintegration…? The bark of the tree he chomps is medicinal in some way (entheogenic?). It takes him to a time he was someone else, living another life, in which he had a difficult situation to deal with – the immanent death of his spouse…
Cut back to him and the tree and he needs to reassure himself that this is what he wants – to relive this experience – that he will be strong and go through with it. There are moments when he comes out of it and its too intense – he wants it to stop/ for her to leave him alone! And in the end it’s something that I think he learns to come to grips with – he lets go and is able to (enter the light…?).
The experience might be like a necessary cleansing that a soul needs to undergo before being able to move on. This could be like soul retrieval, where a part of yourself gets so traumatized “it stays behind”, leaving you a bit less complete than you could be. It would manifest in another incarnation as some kind of mental or physical aberration – karma like maybe.
This movie can have a big impact on you. I think people that are slamming it might be finding it hits a bit too close to home. That maybe they are not in a position right now where they feel very comfortable having to deal with the reality of death. That they would rather spend their money on stuff that will carry on distracting them from it? I for one am very glad I got it, and think it will come in very handy going forward on my journey."
Re: Get Salvia Videos Offline
"How many people are using Salvia with honourable intentions...? Does the number of people using her irresponsibly/ recklessly/ DISRESPECTFULLY far outweigh the rest? At this rate so it would seem. More and more I see people on the internet pointing out that entheogens ARE just another get-high quick-fix (see "Non believer that plants teach") - it re-enforces the perception. If this is the way it is maybe these things should be made illegal? What is the point of going to any effort to defend it if the majority who disrespect it stand the most to benefit?
Maybe a Friends of Responsible (Salvia) Use Society should be created which you have to be a member of before being allowed to use or buy Salvia. If you get bust not being a member you are breaking the law? If you are a member and get bust making stupid videos or being irresponsible with it then your membership gets revoked? I don't know.
What I do know is these videos are definitely getting some people upset about Salvia being legal. I got my ass whipped on someone's blog trying to defend Salvia being legal. I tried the cant let some stupid people mess it up for the some not so stupid people argument - you can find that blog on this link. (And I'm not supplying it for you guys to go there and cause trouble okay?).
Maybe when our knights in shining armour this side approach the people that post these stupid videos it can be with examples of where these videos are causing more harm than good? One thing I doubt is that they are posted with an intention to further Salvia's cause, it all just seems like adolescent attention seeking to me. A thread created here by someone that made one of these videos categorised it as "Entertainment" on youtube - not educational, started this thread with...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carijok
I had two sitters, and they still couldn't stop me from breaking my furniture... (haw-haw)
My Salvia Trip
...? haw-haw.
Then tried proclaiming her innocence as intending to educate by stressing "the importance of having a *competent* sitter and being in an environment free of obstacles you might hurt yourself on." only once the heat got turned on (I didn't see anything about this before that). If they are meant to add value at all they really should come with some kind of commentary on what was experienced and/or what insight was gained. Okay, so that was the post making pro-Salvia videos solution, which I think is a great idea, did it get taken any further?"
Re: The Fountain movie.....
"Read about it somewhere that someone was talking about Apocalypto, I think because the common theme was Mayan. Anywhoo, looking into it a bit I decided this was a DVD I needed to get imported (it probably wouldn’t make it on the circuit here, and wouldn’t be stocked in the shops either). I watched it last night and woah, it is one seriously intense emotional movie. It seemed to contain some pretty profound insights and would help me put a face on some things that might otherwise be quite difficult to grasp.
The dude in the bubble with a tree is on some kind of journey, he might be like God or something – or a higher self of somebody, on his way to complete disintegration…? The bark of the tree he chomps is medicinal in some way (entheogenic?). It takes him to a time he was someone else, living another life, in which he had a difficult situation to deal with – the immanent death of his spouse…
Cut back to him and the tree and he needs to reassure himself that this is what he wants – to relive this experience – that he will be strong and go through with it. There are moments when he comes out of it and its too intense – he wants it to stop/ for her to leave him alone! And in the end it’s something that I think he learns to come to grips with – he lets go and is able to (enter the light…?).
The experience might be like a necessary cleansing that a soul needs to undergo before being able to move on. This could be like soul retrieval, where a part of yourself gets so traumatized “it stays behind”, leaving you a bit less complete than you could be. It would manifest in another incarnation as some kind of mental or physical aberration – karma like maybe.
This movie can have a big impact on you. I think people that are slamming it might be finding it hits a bit too close to home. That maybe they are not in a position right now where they feel very comfortable having to deal with the reality of death. That they would rather spend their money on stuff that will carry on distracting them from it? I for one am very glad I got it, and think it will come in very handy going forward on my journey."
Re: Get Salvia Videos Offline
"How many people are using Salvia with honourable intentions...? Does the number of people using her irresponsibly/ recklessly/ DISRESPECTFULLY far outweigh the rest? At this rate so it would seem. More and more I see people on the internet pointing out that entheogens ARE just another get-high quick-fix (see "Non believer that plants teach") - it re-enforces the perception. If this is the way it is maybe these things should be made illegal? What is the point of going to any effort to defend it if the majority who disrespect it stand the most to benefit?
Maybe a Friends of Responsible (Salvia) Use Society should be created which you have to be a member of before being allowed to use or buy Salvia. If you get bust not being a member you are breaking the law? If you are a member and get bust making stupid videos or being irresponsible with it then your membership gets revoked? I don't know.
What I do know is these videos are definitely getting some people upset about Salvia being legal. I got my ass whipped on someone's blog trying to defend Salvia being legal. I tried the cant let some stupid people mess it up for the some not so stupid people argument - you can find that blog on this link. (And I'm not supplying it for you guys to go there and cause trouble okay?).
Maybe when our knights in shining armour this side approach the people that post these stupid videos it can be with examples of where these videos are causing more harm than good? One thing I doubt is that they are posted with an intention to further Salvia's cause, it all just seems like adolescent attention seeking to me. A thread created here by someone that made one of these videos categorised it as "Entertainment" on youtube - not educational, started this thread with...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carijok
I had two sitters, and they still couldn't stop me from breaking my furniture... (haw-haw)
My Salvia Trip
...? haw-haw.
Then tried proclaiming her innocence as intending to educate by stressing "the importance of having a *competent* sitter and being in an environment free of obstacles you might hurt yourself on." only once the heat got turned on (I didn't see anything about this before that). If they are meant to add value at all they really should come with some kind of commentary on what was experienced and/or what insight was gained. Okay, so that was the post making pro-Salvia videos solution, which I think is a great idea, did it get taken any further?"